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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 7:44 am 
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I have 160 6th graders this year, out of that I have around 80 boys, of those 80 boys about 5 maybe 6 are planning on playing football.

This year according to my friends at the 7th and 8th grade level this was the lowest participation in football ever with just over 40 kids in the two grades combined going out for football.

Very limited sample size I know but football participation around the country are reaching all time lows.

The sport so much of us love has a very bleak future.
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 8:07 am 
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Shocked

That's a surprising stat. Do you think your school is typical of most?

Is futbol on the rise?

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 8:30 am 
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A quick google search suggests that your single point of data is not uncommon:

https://www.google.com/search?q=declining+football+participation
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 9:53 am 
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MK, I have felt this "in my bones" for some years now. So, while your testimony is sobering, it's not surprising. I don't know if it was inevitable. It's akin to little children playing yet their aggressiveness escalates so much that the parent steps in to "stop it!" Could the violence and trauma in football over the years be of similar ilk?... a cumulative escalating of the trauma, so much so that parents are saying “Stop it!” and routing their kids to "safer" sports?

I put “safer” in quotation marks in that one of the most severe concussions I ever saw in my son’s high school years was on the soccer pitch. I saw the play, and it didn't appear to be that severe: he was a defender in a shoulder-to-shoulder bumping defensive move against an opponent with the ball. He mis-stepped and tumbled forward at pretty much full speed and rolled/tumbled at least twice (i.e., at least two 360s in a curled-up, sideways fashion). Result: he was out for 6 weeks minimum under the recently implemented UIL Concussion Protocol. I must say, that Protocol is significant in depth and application, yet I believe it to be well worth it. It applies to all sports, both men’s and women’s. But my point here is that the worst concussion I ever witnessed was in soccer, not football.

Yes, the concern over football "hits" is the cumulative effect, but it is not the only sport that is subject to concussions. Any one of the popular high school sports is subject to the risks of injury.

OK, enough of my Dr. Jekyll passionate rationalizing of the matter. Now, my Mr. Hyde response: We are becoming a world of wimps!... at least in America. Mad We have risk management this, risk management that. To wit, playground equipment for kids has become so encumbered with legal warnings that insurance carriers now notify retailers of such equipment that just by the act of selling it that their risk exposure warrants a doubling of premium. Why? Simple: we are a litigious society. We want to blame others for our own problems. We have PhDs who do extensive studies on playground "fall-scape" material, so much so that we no longer can use pea gravel; we have use ultra soft absorbent material to protect "little Johnny" when he falls.

I say: bu**$h@t!

I remember in the 60s as a little kid at my elementary school being on the (then) ubiquitous monkey bars. Like every kid, we challenged ourselves to leap one rung further than we did last time... until you missed, that is. Well, in the 5th grade I got my fingertips barely on the 6th high horizontal bar away from me, but my fingers didn't have near enough cohesion. Result: my feet swung/pendulum’d way in front of me, my fingers let go, and I dropped flat on my back from about 5 ft up. Yup, you guessed it: knocked the wind out of me. I sucked air for it seemed like an eternity. Scared me to death.

But here's the deal: that’s exactly what I needed to happen. I learned from it. It's not just a moment of physical injury. It's a moment of emotional and constitutional learning, particularly at a peek period in the development of a child who needs such rigors of learning.

And here we are "risk managing" these moments away, all in the name of childhood safety. Do-gooder moms and wannabe moms and metro-sexualized males blog away about the dangers of the playground and sport, all being oblivious to the dangerous hindrances they put on the natural development of children. They want to “risk manage” EVERYTHING such that they want 100% assurances that no child will ever be hurt. Here’s a clue: they need the hurt in order to learn. In the act of testing themselves to higher levels of risk, they are seeking competence, and in that effort they become more than they were before. And that is precisely what our society needs out of people. We need competence, not trophy recipients.

Canadian psychologist, Dr. Jordan Peterson, explains it wonderfully here in this 5 minute video. If you’ve not heard of Dr. Peterson yet, you will. He is a powerful and compelling voice of reason against a tidal wave of political correctness across all fronts (across a lot of geographical regions, from North America to Europe and Australia).



OK, rant over. Time to put Mr. Hyde back in the box. Wink Cool
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 12:39 pm 
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I can tell you that one of the biggest problems is coaching. In our local HSs, most kids haven't played Pop Warner or other tackle football. Passing leagues are expanding. The result is that there is a disparity in abilities, particularly between skill positions and line/LBs.

Most of the coaches are not professional, and seem to be channeling their inner Frank Cush or Woody Hayes. They may have played, but I don't think they have had much trainging in education, sports pyschology, etc. The result is a fairly low retention from Freshman year to Varsity. And before any one starts bemoaning the "participation trophy" generation, I can say that with my son (a HS Jr), when you get around professional coaches (including camps w/David Shaw at Stanford and Clay Helton at USC), the vibe is completely different. They are stern, hold players accountable, and loud (except for Shaw). But they motivate through positivity, not fear and denigration.

I don't think it will hurt the NFL, b/c those caliber of players will still play. But you can sure tell when a team has a coach players want to play for - they usually have Var rosters with 80 - 100 kids. I see alot with fewer than 50 (and these are at schools with 2000 - 3000 students).
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 1:55 pm 
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For the most part most sports participation rates are falling...kids aren't even riding bikes like they used to anymore

https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/kids-sports-participation-rates/

Video games anyone???

d'oh!

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 2:50 pm 
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In college, women's soccer has a higher rate of concussions than men's football or soccer: 6.3 per 10,000 times women participate in soccer practice or a game versus 4.9 for men's soccer and 6.1 for men's football. Men's wrestling and hockey have even higher rates at 12.4 and 8.4 respectively.

But concussions aren't the only problem. In total injuries, both men's and women's soccer exceed those of men's football. Total injuries for men's soccer are 11.14 per 10,000 practices or games and 9.7 for women's soccer. For football, the number is 9.5.

College sports are about twice as likely as high school sports to result in concussions. At the high school level, the numbers for soccer aren't quite as bad as for football. High school football is the riskiest. But girls' and boys' soccer are still the second and third most dangerous sports for concussions, followed closely by girls' basketball.

There is also data showing that, while football causes a higher number of concussions, girls and boys' high school soccer is responsible for more of the serious concussions. We can tell that from the recovery time. Concussions from soccer are about twice as likely as football to require 22 or more days of recovery.


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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 3:09 pm 
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I think the big difference is between the total amount of trauma to the brain in each sport.

A hit may not result in a concussion but the brain is still accelerating against the skull.

I imagine football, boxing, and wrestling are three sports where the total amount of trauma to the brain is highest.
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 4:36 pm 
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Just a little more fuel for consideration: It's happening with all sports, not just contact sports.

As an anecdote, I recently read that the Army is considering doing away with hand grenade training in basic training because so many recruits can't throw simple overhand (baseball style) toss, and Drill Sergeants don't have enough time to teach them all. Yikes!

Man! When I was twelve, I could amuse myself for hours by throwing a ball at my pitch-back net, or playing catch with my buddies, and my parents never really encouraged me (except to buy me a new glove and a ball every few years).

What is going on with kids? With parents?
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 4:39 pm 
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Kayok 90 Bloody Cross wrote:
I think the big difference is between the total amount of trauma to the brain in each sport.

A hit may not result in a concussion but the brain is still accelerating against the skull.

I imagine football, boxing, and wrestling are three sports where the total amount of trauma to the brain is highest.


Bingo. Football is "riskier" to your brain than soccer as repetitive thumps to your melon are more commonplace than in soccer. You get your bell wrung A LOT more often than you get official concussions...
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 6:17 pm 
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This thread has me bummed. Are we on the verge of losing football as we know it? I have no argument for the concussion science. Because concussions can happen, although more rare at the youth level, maybe parents don't feel comfortable subjecting their child to the risk? Again, no argument here, just not sure where that leads. To Cotton's point, will monkey bars become nonexistent? The question is always "How much risk is OK?". The answer seems to always be trending to more safe than status quo.

I remember my dad telling me once that football stopped being football when they started wearing face masks. It didn't stop him from taking in the Cowboys game each Sunday. If a helmet is developed to bring the concussion risk to near zero, I'm sure I'll be a fan regardless of the appearance. But I may tell my grandson that's when football stopped being football.
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 7:55 pm 
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You can thank all these cowardly dads out there that let their wives wear the pants in the family. They're all derelict in their responsibility as a father.

Thanks to being over-protected by their mamas, boys in America are emasculated (both physically and mentally).

Even though I'm 53, I'm in better shape than most boys in America now.

It's a pathetic situation but one that arises when fathers fail in their obligation to make a man out of their son (which they can do by simply not letting their wives baby their sons).

At some point a woman has to take her tit out of her boys mouth.
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 8:53 pm 
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A lot of kids used to play because it was something to do. Now you can play it on your Xbox or something else. Technology has destroyed what we knew in our childhoods. I spent more time outside than I did inside. I am constantly whining to my kids to go do something that does not include being on a computer or device.

One of the reasons we made our kids all participate in something like band, sports, and other groups is for this reason.
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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2018 9:52 pm 
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AGINAZ wrote:
Kayok 90 Bloody Cross wrote:
I think the big difference is between the total amount of trauma to the brain in each sport.

A hit may not result in a concussion but the brain is still accelerating against the skull.

I imagine football, boxing, and wrestling are three sports where the total amount of trauma to the brain is highest.


Bingo. Football is "riskier" to your brain than soccer as repetitive thumps to your melon are more commonplace than in soccer. You get your bell wrung A LOT more often than you get official concussions...


Are we talking percentages or numbers. By the numbers soccer by far has the most number of concussions.

By percentage, Boxing by far has the highest rate of concussions.

Unless one restricts the data to male high school competitive sports only, football tends to hover in the 4th to 6th slot for percentages and total number...
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PostPosted: 14 Apr 2018 1:06 pm 
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My step kids are only vaguely familiar with "outside"

I bet it's more than just football
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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2018 11:08 am 
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Remember, as Pink Floyd chronicled, when it was 13 channels to choose from? At the time, I thought "Wow, 13 channels. I wish I had that many". Laughing Laughing

Now, it is hundreds plus youtube, direct streaming, video games, etc.

It is becoming very barbelled - either complete devotion to a sport or no exposure. Very little recreational level.
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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2018 11:26 am 
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CardinalandMaroon wrote:

It is becoming very barbelled - either complete devotion to a sport or no exposure. Very little recreational level.


Bingo.

And I only had 3 channels growing up. Wink
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