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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2018 9:27 am 
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I know this isn't a real SEC topic. But:

It is real to A&M because we recruit against these guys more than our SEC brethren ... or did pre-Jimbo.

This is from orange bloods folks...a question and answer answer. OB is being taken away from Ketch supposedly.

This is not copied from OB by me, but I copied from another internet source.

And this board is pretty dead for topics right now, so here we go. Enjoy...


But first...I thought tu was recruiting lights out.



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How talented is the Texas offense? (and more midweek thoughts) - mccommas

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1) To describe our conversation during the most recent OB Podcast as, "spirited," when the topic of talent arose is like describing Dennis Rodman as only being kind of weird. The discussion of talent, specifically on offense, does present an intriguing discussion: was the offense's struggles last season more about coaching or talent, and is its future production next season, put in its simplest form, almost all about coaching?

Relative to other programs on its level, I see talent on the Texas offense, but not a lot. Make no mistake, there are pieces to work with at each position group, but one question seemingly reveals a lot about the offense: who is the best player?

Not as easy as you thought. Collin Johnson probably gets some votes, and maybe Lil'Jordan Humphrey too. Picking a quarterback is very difficult to justify. The same applies to the offensive line. Perhaps Daniel Young, but that also reinforces the general point.

Right now, the Texas offense isn't loaded with talent, and most of the top-end talent is probably in its receiver group.

2) Let's break it down by position group:

Recruiting rankings aren't the be-all and end-all, but they generally paint an accurate image, or at the very last a place to start. So, let's identify the number of five-star prospects, Rivals100 four-star prospects, Rivals250 four-star prospects, unranked four-star prospects, and three-star prospects among each position group using Alex Dunlap's recent offensive depth chart projection before spring football. The 2018 class that hasn't enrolled yet isn't factored in.

(players identified by 2018 season age)
QUARTERBACKS
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 0
Rivals250: 3
Unranked four-star prospects: 1
Three-star prospects: 0

Sam Ehlinger (sophomore), Shane Buechele (junior), and Cameron Rising (freshman) were all Rivals250 prospects, and Casey Thompson (freshman) just missed the Rivals250 cut.

RUNNING BACKS
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 0
Rivals250: 2
Unranked four-star prospects: 0
Three-star prospects: 2

Kyle Porter (junior) and Toneil Carter (sophomore) arrived at Texas as Rivals250 prospects while Tristian Houston (junior) and Daniel Young (sophomore) were three-star prospects.

TIGHT ENDS
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 0
Rivals250: 0
Unranked four-star prospects: 1
Three-star prospects: 2

Andrew Beck (senior) and Cade Brewer (sophomore) were three-star prospects out of high school, and Reese Leitao (redshirt freshman) was a four-star prospect outside the Rivals250. Obviously, Brewer is dealing with an injury. Texas recently moved Max Cummins (two-star prospect) to tight end.

RECEIVERS
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 5
Rivals250: 0
Unranked four-star prospects: 0
Three-star prospects: 3

Jerrod Heard (arrived as a QB; senior), John Burt (senior), Devin Duvernay (junior), Collin Johnson (junior), and Brennan Eagles were all Rivals100 prospects. Lil'Jordan Humphrey (junior), Davion Curtis (sophomore), and Jordan Pouncey (redshirt freshman) arrived at Texas as three-star prospects.

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 0
Rivals250: 3
Unranked four-star prospects: 0
Three-star prospects: 4
Two-star prospects: 1

Denzel Okafor (junior), Patrick Vahe (senior), and J.P. Urquidez (sophomore) were all rated as Rivals250 prospects. Junior college transfer Mikey Grandy (junior) was a four-star prospect while Sam Cosmi (redshirt freshman), Derek Kerstetter (sophomore), Tope Imade (sophomore), and Zach Shackelford (junior) were three-star prospects. Elijah Rodriguez (senior), a late sign years ago, was a two-star prospect.

3) IN TOTAL (27)
Five-star prospects: 0
Rivals100: 5
Rivals250: 8
Unranked four-star prospects: 2
Three-star prospects: 11
Two-star prospects: 1

As expected, a majority of the top 100 talent that arrived on campus is concentrated in one position group receivers. Heck, all of it is. Rivals250 prospects are sprinkled throughout the other position groups with four of those prospects either being players that haven't performed at a high level in starting opportunities, haven't been able to get on the field, or just arrived on campus.

Even if you want to label players like Brewer, Young, and Kerstetter as underrated, it doesn't dramatically change the presented image, and they were all true freshmen last season.

4) Does this talent discussion excuse coaching and let it off the hook? Of course not. Texas was awful on offense last season, and that falls at the feet of the coaches.

However, the relationship between coaching/development and available talent is in some ways the equivalent of football's chicken or the egg discussion. Coaches can only work with the talent they have, and talent matters. Just look at the teams that finish atop the recruiting rankings every year. Texas wasn't working with a bunch of no-doubt Sunday players or all-conference selections last season, and it's unclear how likely it is to do that this season too. However, there are programs that don't sign Alabama or Clemson-type classes and still put good offenses on the field. Just look north of the Red River.

Texas didn't maximize its talent on offense last season, clearly. But a talent maximization in 2017 turned into? Perhaps a below average offense, give or take.

5) Looking ahead, no one should expect Texas to go from zero it was literally in the bottom 10-20 in offense last season to 100. However, the Longhorns improving from the bottom tier to a middle tier (consistently average offense that's at times better) would be an enormous lift because we know what the defense is capable of and how much confidence Tom Herman has in Todd Orlando.


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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2018 8:37 pm 
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Is the Ketch comment coming from another source? Didn't see anything in this reprint that indicated that...UNLESS...

UNLESS...it was determined to be Ketch's fault for failing to personally GIVE the tu recruits enough higher grades to give the team "more and better" talent (on paper, at least) than that detailed above... Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

No one knows what that article would have looked like it the players they talked about had been given the scores and rankings that they really deserved...closer to the ones they wound up with after Ketch got through "ketching them up" to the higher scores they wound up with and which were quoted in the story above.

If they had finished with the score that they probably deserved, then the story would have taken on a whole different tone--don't you think?
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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2018 11:21 pm 
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This all sounds eerily familiar, something from the past in College Station. Specifically, that four-letter word that we all hate: The FRAN years. Rolling Eyes Cool (By this, I don't mean to denigrate specific players from that era, but Fran's newsletter and interpretation of all things maroon was offbase, way offbase.)
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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2018 2:06 pm 
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You get a lot of nimrods and illiterate fans rooting for teams without a whit of understanding of the sport.

So to them it is a statistical straight line from number of stars to numbers of wins. Heaven forbid if a tu player wasn't a four star...why would they recruit a three star? What is the coach thinking? He's obviously better than that give him more stars, afterall, tu is recruiting him.

Because of these doofuses that purport to be football fans. Recruiting is not about skill sets or strength or football smarts or mean streak, its all about the QUANTIFIABLE...stars, 40 dash time, bench press, vertical leap, number of tackles. What they miss is the really important stuff, mental make up, motor, focus, reflexes, eye hand coordination, things that no one but a coach would put a pencil to.

Ketch et al., shill to the lowest common denominator in football fans.
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PostPosted: 30 Mar 2018 6:03 pm 
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Say what we will about the horns, I thought they had one of the better defenses last year. They severely limited the sooners, pokes, and bloods during the season, then did the same to the tigers in their bowl game. All had shown themselves to have competent offenses. Certainly they struggled on offense, but their defense kept them within striking distance. The only game the defense truly faltered was their opener against the terps.
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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2018 8:28 am 
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They lose about 6 starters off their defense this year. Don't know how many of those make it to the NFL, however...
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PostPosted: 31 Mar 2018 10:19 am 
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goodags wrote:
Say what we will about the horns, I thought they had one of the better defenses last year. They severely limited the sooners, pokes, and bloods during the season, then did the same to the tigers in their bowl game. All had shown themselves to have competent offenses. Certainly they struggled on offense, but their defense kept them within striking distance. The only game the defense truly faltered was their opener against the terps.


Their defense was light years better than ours was last year.
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PostPosted: 01 Apr 2018 7:21 am 
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On balance, in my humble opinion, Texas has some pretty good talent. In recent years, their biggest problems have been at QB and overall depth, especially on their DL and OL.

Ole Tom is going to seriously upgrade their talent from their 2018 class and forward. His 2018 class was ranked 4th by Rivals and my guess is his 2019 class will be as good or better. So,they will continue to get better and better and do it pretty fast.

As an OU fan, I will never disrespect their talent and their ability to recruit. We will continue to get our 4 or five at home along with 7 - 10 from Texas with the rest coming from 7 to 10 other states. Bottom line is that we will never be able to compete with Texas in recruiting. Over the last 5 years, we have had the better team heading into the Cotton Bowl, but are just 3 - 2. Over the past 18 games we are 12 - 6. There have been very few of those 18 years where we brought in higher ranked recruiting classes. So, Texas has always had great talent. Their problems have been in coaching and player development, not recruiting.
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PostPosted: 01 Apr 2018 10:56 am 
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being in the bdf could help them with a better record

new kids still need to deliver though
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